PGA West Stadium Course: #17
PGA West Stadium Course #17: Welcome to “Alcatraz.” Home to Lee Trevino’s “Hole in One” – one of the most famous shots in golf history – which gave him the “Skins Game” victory over Jack Nicklaus, Gary Player and Raymond Floyd.
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1 Stars
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Conditions
4.5
Value
4.2
Layout
4.8
Friendliness
4.6
Pace
4.0
Amenities
4.6
90.3%
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4.6
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Conditions
4.7
Value
4.2
Layout
4.9
Pace
4.0
Amenities
4.6
StaffFriendliness
4.7
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4.4
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4.6
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Course Highlights
This iconic stadium course delivers a bucket-list layout with stunning mountain views, challenging water hazards, and conditions that consistently impress recent golfers. Welcoming staff from bag drop to pro shop make every visitor feel genuinely excited to play.

About

Holes 18
Type Public/Resort
Par 72
Length 7300 yards
Slope 148
Rating 75.8

This is the monster of all monsters, the one that carries so many folktales of golfer terror with it that it should qualify as its own myth. The developers asked Pete Dye to make this "the toughest golf course in the world" and many argue he succeeded. Too well.

The Stadium Course at PGA WEST in La Quinta is one of those tracks that any self-respecting golf nut has to play once. Just to experience it. Just to say you did. Just to have stories of golf cruelty to tell at the office water cooler. There's a 19-foot deep bunker on the 16th hole. That's right. A 19-foot deep bunker. Your ball won't get out. Heck, you might not get out. From the back tees it measures 7,300 yards with an incredible 148-slope rating.

Every hole is a story waiting to be told. Either in success to be bragged about or failure to be even more bragged about. The PGA players moaned about this course so loud that it's no longer a regular stop on tour. Yet for average hackers, it's often a joy of punishment. Go in with the right attitude and it's liable to be one of your most unforgettable days of golf.

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Course Details

Year Built 1987
Fairways Bermuda Grass
Greens Bermuda Grass
Golf Season Year round
Architect Pete Dye (1987) Alice Dye (1986)

Rentals/Services

Carts Yes - included in green fees
GPS No
Clubs Yes

Practice/Instruction

Driving Range Yes
Golf School/Academy Yes - "PGA WEST Golf Academy"
Teaching Pro Yes
Pitching/Chipping Area Yes
Putting Green Yes
Practice Hole Yes

Policies

Credit Cards Accepted VISA, MasterCard, Amex, Discover Welcomed
Metal Spikes Allowed No
Dress code No denim, collared shirt and bermuda shorts required

Available Facilities

Clubhouse, Banquet Facilities

Available Sports

Fitness, Tennis

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4.5
1206 Reviews (1206)

What Golfers Are Saying

The 19th Hole is Great For:
Drinks 42
Patio Dining 28
19th Hole Scenic Views 26
Course Challenges Include:
Bunkers 70
Water Hazards 67
Forced Carries 49
This course/club is great for:
Advanced Golfers 61
A Bucket list/Top 100 Pick 52
A Weekend Splurge 31
This Course's Location is:
Worth the Drive 42
At a Resort 34
Convenient to the City 18

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Reviews 378
Handicap 5-9
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Top 10 Contributor
Previously Played
Perfect weather
Used cart

Difficult yes, but Stadium is a fair, fun test

While this course has been billed as the most difficult in America (rating of 75.8 from the Tournament tees), I don't even think it's the most difficult Pete Dye Course. Pound Ridge and French Lick are two that come to mind, but this certainly isn't far behind. Still, the PGA Tour worthy Stadium Course is actually fairly generous off the tee. It's the approaches and bunkers -- both greenside and fairway -- as well as the uneven lies and mounding that can be difficult. Most importantly, this course is memorable, from the long par-3 semi-island green sixth to the bunker 15 feet below on the par-5 16th to the "Alcatraz" island green 17th, the holes out here are most memorable. They're also a lot of fun if you can manage them halfway decently. As a bonus, the practice facilities here are excellent and don't miss out on the clubhouse restaurant, Ernie's. Everything on the menu is terrific, especially the Kobe burgers, and it's in a great atmosphere.

Conditions Excellent
Value Average
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Excellent
Difficulty Extremely Challenging
Played On
Reviews 2
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
2.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing

Terrible pace of play.

6 hrs to play this course. Marshal did nothing to help speed up the pace. Started at 11:15 finished at 5:15. That’s 1/2 hour per hole. Never had it that slow in 35 years of golf.

Conditions Average
Value Poor
Layout Good
Friendliness Average
Pace Poor
Amenities Average
Played On
Reviews 3
Skill Advanced
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Conditions Excellent
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Good
Pace Average
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Reviews 2
Handicap 20-24
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Perfect weather
Used cart

Need to play a Pete Dye course every once in a will to see how difficult golf can be.

Conditions Good
Value Good
Layout Good
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Excellent
Difficulty Extremely Challenging
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Reviews 1
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a month
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played

PGA Stadium Course La Quinta

Course is brutal but in great shape & so beautiful! Love playing Stadium, wish there were better deals

Conditions Good
Value Average
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Good
Pace Average
Amenities Good
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Reviews 4
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
2.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing
Conditions Excellent
Value Average
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Average
Pace Poor
Amenities Average
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Reviews 17
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing
Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Reviews 9
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
First Time Playing

Really fun course

After playing the Nicklaus course in the morning we played the Stadium course in the afternoon. Would believe that the Stadium course edges out as the better course, and this was a super fun and super challenging experience. Hole layouts were really interesting with lots of bunkers and expanding/narrowing fairways. Greens were quite small and required strategic shots to hit; were also very fast. Special thanks to Mark in the pro shop who was very friendly and heled us have a fantastic experience. All around would recommend this great course.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Average
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Reviews 2
Handicap 5-9
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing

A bucket list must

Well worth the time to play this track if you are anywhere near it.

Conditions Good
Value Average
Layout Good
Friendliness Good
Pace Good
Amenities Average
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Reviews 1000
Handicap 10-14
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Top 1 Contributor
California Advisor
Previously Played
Perfect weather
Used cart

Stadium

Played the Blues (6739/73.1/140) with Cooper & Al in 4.5 H. Around 90, sunny and calm.

After just having hosted the Career Builder PGA event 2 weeks ago, the course was still in excellent condition.

Most tees were immaculate. Lush and well maintained, only some par 3's needed divot attention.

The fairways were almost perfect. Lush with most divots already repaired.

The dormant Bermuda secondary rough had not been over seeded and was more hit and miss. The over seeded primary rough was thick and lush. The rough around the greens is thick, tough to get it up/down out of thick rough right beside firm/quick greens.

The plentiful sand traps were decently maintained with good quality sand that was thick. The fairway traps were firm and good to play from. Green side traps were more hit/miss, 2 were very good, 1 was thin.

The firm greens putted nice. Medium fast, very consistent and smooth.

The customer service was top notch as usual here. quick efficient check in, helpful starter. cart gal around numerous times. Challenging layout and the conditions were excellent. Definitely recommended.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Average
Amenities Excellent
Difficulty Extremely Challenging
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Commented on 02/09/2018

Closest economical courses to Hermosa Beach worth playing are Los Verdes, an 18 hole municipal course with great ocean views and Terranea, a 9 hole par 3 that is the best par 3 course I have ever played. Those are both within 15 miles of Hermosa. These 2 courses are very close to each other and could easily be played same day.

Another 5 miles away is Trump National if you want to break the bank. It is the only one I am mentioning that I have never played. About 1/2 the people think it's great and the other half think it radically overpriced. Supposed to be tight.

Rancho Park is in W. L.A. (within 30 miles) is an older historic venue that used to host the LA Open back in the day. Most reviews comment on spotty conditions and slow play there however.

Skylinks is the best of the Long Beach courses in my opinion, it is also within 25 miles of Hermosa.

50 miles or so is Angeles National in Sunland, the only Nicklaus course in L.A. County. Above average in layout, condition and price. If you like Nicklaus designs, it is worth a look.

Heading north is by far your best bet to play good courses that are cheap.

Rustic Canyon in Moorpark is very unique, link style and a must play if you are around L.A.

Farther north, Olivas Links in Ventura and River Ridge Lakes in Oxnard are both excellent courses that you can ride mid day for under $50. Both are always in good condition.

I would NOT recommend you go south into Orange County. You will basically double your daily fee compared to the courses I just mentioned, especially the Ventura County courses.

Local courses to avoid include Victoria & Alondra. Both are historically in poor condition.

Hope this assists, hit em well!

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Commented on 02/09/2018

Great reviews Nickesquire, it's complete and helpful. BTW, what are you best advices for someone like me who will be visiting Los Angeles next week and would like to play 3 rounds? I'm from Montreal and it's my first visit to L.A.

(I'll be staying in Hermosa Beach).

Thanks a lot!

Played On
Reviews 1
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing
Conditions Excellent
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Reviews 23
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing
Conditions Good
Value Good
Layout Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Good
Played On
Reviews 37
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played

Wow

The stadium course is special. Very difficult course where one bad shot can cost you 3/4 strokes. Everyone should play this course once. Bucket list course.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Average
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Reviews 2
4.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing
Walked
Conditions Average
Value Average
Layout Average
Friendliness Average
Pace Average
Amenities Average
Played On
Reviews 20
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing

Gorgeous and unique links cours

This course is a gem. It is unique in that there is a sharp demarcation between the green grass and the brown grass. Greens were just right. Played it 2 weeks before a PGA event. Hence the rough was a little taller than usual.

Conditions Excellent
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Reviews 1
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing

Worth the wait and money

Overall experience was very good. Staff very friendly and helpful. Easy access to anything I need. Course layout was amazing. Conditions few weeks before the PGA event perfect

Conditions Good
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Average
Amenities Good
Played On
Reviews 2
I Recommend This Course
4.0
First Time Playing
Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Average
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Fair
Played On
Reviews 17
Handicap 10-14
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Previously Played

Great. Beautiful, Very Hard

Many good reviews on this site. I’ve played this course 3 times. This is a beautiful course, great amenities, wonderful staff, always good conditions. Good pace of play. It’s reallybhard to find much negative to say about this course and facilities. That said it is a very challenging golf course. If you’re a bogey golfer golfer I would strongly suggest you play from the White tees... and even then don’t be disappointed if you have a tough day on the course. It’s a great test of skill even for low handicap players.

Conditions Excellent
Value Average
Layout Average
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Reviews 1
Handicap 15-19
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing
Perfect weather
Used cart
Conditions Excellent
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Average
Amenities Excellent
Difficulty Extremely Challenging
Played On
Reviews 2
Skill Advanced
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played

A classic

Great Pete Dye layout where strategy and precise iron play are key to score well. Should be on every golfer’s bucket list...but only recommended IMHO for players with handicap 20 or less. Very few things in golf beat the tee shot on 17th!

Conditions Excellent
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Excellent
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