Talking Stick Golf Club - O'odham Course
About
The Talking Stick Golf Club features two golf courses designed by the architecture team of Bill Coore and Ben Crenshaw, who created distinct golf courses with enough choices to accommodate all levels of golfers. The golf club sits on the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community reservation, a spot that provides the serenity necessary to endure a testing day of golf.
"Talking Stick's O'odham (formerly known as North Course) course, with its broad, angular holes rewards thoughtful play through the rise of its many options according to one's level of skill. Its low-profile, slightly crowned greens and close-cropped approaches encourage running as well as aerial assaults." -- Bill Coore & Ben Crenshaw
The second hole is a par 5 that measures 552 yards from the Black tee and is one of two long holes, with the 17th being a par 5 that plays to 582 yards from the Black tees.
The 18th hole on the O'odham Course at the Talking Stick Golf Club is shorter, relatively speaking, a par 4 that measures 471 yards from the Black tees.
| Tee | Par | Length | Rating | Slope |
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| Black | 70 | 7133 yards | 72.6 | 124 |
| Gold (W) | 70 | 6510 yards | 75.6 | 127 |
| Gold | 70 | 6510 yards | 69.9 | 119 |
| Gold/Jade (W) | 70 | 5945 yards | 72.6 | 123 |
| Gold/Jade | 70 | 5945 yards | 67.0 | 116 |
| Jade (W) | 70 | 5532 yards | 70.0 | 116 |
| Jade | 70 | 5532 yards | 65.2 | 111 |
| Rust (W) | 70 | 4677 yards | 65.7 | 109 |
| Rust | 70 | 4677 yards | 61.4 | 105 |
| Hole | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Out | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | In | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Black M: 72.6/124 | 394 | 552 | 450 | 433 | 391 | 223 | 457 | 153 | 446 | 3499 | 437 | 261 | 392 | 391 | 445 | 461 | 194 | 582 | 471 | 3634 | 7133 |
| Gold M: 69.9/119 W: 75.8/130 | 379 | 509 | 417 | 390 | 356 | 187 | 427 | 143 | 412 | 3220 | 390 | 217 | 358 | 356 | 410 | 425 | 161 | 534 | 439 | 3290 | 6510 |
| Gold/Jade M: 67.0/116 W: 72.6/123 | 379 | 509 | 375 | 337 | 356 | 147 | 325 | 118 | 331 | 2877 | 390 | 182 | 358 | 356 | 357 | 389 | 161 | 484 | 391 | 3068 | 5945 |
| Jade M: 65.2/111 W: 70.0/116 | 312 | 449 | 375 | 337 | 277 | 147 | 325 | 118 | 331 | 2671 | 353 | 182 | 245 | 316 | 357 | 389 | 144 | 484 | 391 | 2861 | 5532 |
| Rust M: 61.4/105 W: 66.4/110 | 235 | 393 | 326 | 280 | 277 | 147 | 259 | 118 | 331 | 2366 | 275 | 121 | 245 | 271 | 280 | 277 | 144 | 372 | 326 | 2311 | 4677 |
| Handicap | 15 | 13 | 1 | 3 | 11 | 5 | 9 | 17 | 7 | 12 | 6 | 2 | 16 | 8 | 14 | 18 | 4 | 10 | |||
| Par | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 35 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 5 | 4 | 35 | 70 |
| Handicap (W) | 5 | 1 | 3 | 9 | 13 | 15 | 11 | 17 | 7 | 6 | 16 | 10 | 14 | 12 | 4 | 18 | 2 | 8 |
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Golf Advisor: Top Courses in Arizona (2022 #5)
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Reviewer Photos
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Photo submitted by Ericm92 on 03/27/2026
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Photo submitted by UEfwV8Z4RI3LAplQGGCt on 02/14/2026
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Photo submitted by u000002896151 on 08/20/2025
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Photo submitted by Dbyrne484 on 01/28/2025
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Photo submitted by Dbyrne484 on 01/28/2025
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Talking Stick (O'odham), hole 6 Photo submitted by TimGavrichGP on 11/29/2024
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Talking Stick (O'odham), hole 13 Photo submitted by TimGavrichGP on 11/29/2024
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Talking Stick (O'odham), hole 18 Photo submitted by TimGavrichGP on 11/29/2024
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Photo submitted by BubbaPrehoda on 10/04/2024
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Photo submitted by gg020272 on 07/23/2024
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Photo submitted by gg020272 on 07/23/2024
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12th fairway looking back from the green Photo submitted by jamesklapp on 06/27/2023
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Photo submitted by u000003769992 on 07/05/2020
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Photo submitted by aAGc9DX2S3GKNDrnpp5E on 01/09/2020
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Photo submitted by BrandonTuckerGA on 05/02/2016
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Photo submitted by BrandonTuckerGA on 05/02/2016
Good track
Super wide fairways and little in the way of hazards other than bunkers make this an enjoyable experience and less stressful than some of the target courses. Greens and fairways in good shape. GPS on carts could speed up play even when it is cart path only. Some construction going on that challenges parking but little else. Not sure what the signature hole would be, not much in elevation changes . Overall fun golf course.
Wide Fairways
If you want to regain confidence off of the TeeBox, this is the place to do it. Widest fairways I have ever seen! Well managed and a fun track.
Green is the color
The course was in immaculate shape as we learned the course had been over seeded a couple weeks prior. The greens were a bit on the slower side but they rolled true throughout the course. Prior to playing I read a lot of reviews complaining of slow play and despite the course being very busy we got around in four hours and 10 minutes. I’ll be back to play here the next time I’m in Scottsdale. An A+ day
Over priced for the value
Club house under renovation and closed. Cart path only.
If the course notified golfers ahead of time of the renovation and cart path only, I would not have played there.
Roads and clubhouse under construction
The golf course was great. The only negative was the construction activity and lack of signage with instruction of where to check in, get a cart, etc. We understand when done this will be an improvement but don't let people wonder what to do upon arrival.
Another try - another disappointment!
This is the third time playing this course. It is very well maintained and it looks like a great course, however I have never played the entire 18 holes. Talking Sticks packs in WAY too many people into this course. First-it seems like there is always construction going on at the course-difficulty to find a parking space and then find the clubhouse. Two - again-didn't have enough carts, had to wait for a cart to be returned and we almost missed our tee time. Third, the pace of play was horrendous!! We waited on every hole and we only played 6 holes in 2 hours. Not worth the time, energy and pay. I'm done!
It's ok.
Course is boring, no elevation, greens were fuzzy and slow. Bunkers were a crusty sand. (The club did get through it fine). Nothing that you envision for Arizona golf. Nothing spectacular. Will not be back.
Great course!
This was a great course to play. It was a very friendly resort course with wide fairways and big greens. The course was in excellent shape all the way around. There are not a whole lot of super unique holes, but it was a great course to play and for the price it’s definitely worth playing again.
Slowest pace of play in AZ
Got stuck behind a father and son where the father would give his 8 year old a 10 minute speech then the kid would shank it. They finally let us play through then the next group was lining up puts like they were on tour. This place is notorious for a slow pace of play but this was ridiculous. I am done playing here.
A Cut Above
Played 18 each morning I was in Scottsdale and came here after. Considerably firmer and faster than elsewhere, better turf, really beautiful place. Abundant wildlife, breezy pace, met great people out on the course. Definitely coming back and highly recommend the evening summer round, really not that hot and extra beautiful.
A cool desert golf experience
The O’odham course is the first time I’ve ever played a course in the desert, and it was a much different experience than my usual parkland conditions. Straying off the course meant REALLY playing in the desert. Talking Stick is an interesting Coore/Crenshaw layout.
We got paired up with a couple who had retired to Phoenix, and they were extremely helpful in navigating the course as they said they were regulars at TS. The place was in excellent condition. The fairways are quite generous with plenty of room. But if you hit it far left or right, you were in the actual desert and that made for some difficult second shots. Greens were very good and putts rolled but many have lots of elevation changes to them.
The one hole that stood out as a little odd was No. 12. The design forces you to hit it to the right as there is a giant dirt-like “ditch” on the left and in the middle. Plus, it continues all the way up past the green.
Looking back, it was a fun day out in the desert and a cool experience. With so many options in the area, not sure I’d go back but I will highly recommend it to others.
Worth it - a good challenge
Course conditions were very nice, greens were solid and fairways in good shape. North vs. course; long vs. short to drive the fairway, narrow vs. wide fairways, sand traps in difficult vs. not so obtrusive placement. Both courses have good differences.
Awful pace of play.
The course itself was not bad. Big fairways, but not much room to miss fairways. Bunkers were fine, greens were not the worst. Good undulations on some. Pace of play was absolutely awful. Started as a 2 some paired with another 2 some who had to leave on 12 because we got so far behind. Ended up being a 5 hours round. No rangers in sight. Bev cart staff very unfriendly. We played at a discounted rate (over 50% off) that we would not pay again to play the course. Tons of wildlife (gophers) that seemed cool to start off on the first hole or two, but became disgusting after the first few holes because of how many there were. Had high hopes and was severely let down due to the pace of play alone.
Great Golf Facility
The Talking Stick golf facility is one of my all-time favorite place to play golf in the world. They have 2 great courses, both designed by the Crenshaw-Coore architectural company and I like both of them equally. The staff (pro-shop, starter etc) are very professional and welcoming. Since I was going to be in the Phoenix/Scottsdale area for 16 days over Christmas, I bought an All Inclusive Card which gets you discounted green fees, one free round and free breakfast/lunch with a paid round. So, I played 3 times (and wished I could play more!). The first time I played at this facility was in 2007 and I try to play every time I visit my family in Phoenix.
100% recommend this facility (either course).
6 hour round
Pace of play was atrocious. They overbooked the course like crazy. No ranger to be seen on the course, they clearly didn’t care.
Would Not Recommend
First and for most, only the range was open, but only for a short time. The putting green and chipping greens were closed. The starter was letting groups of 8 go off, slowing the entire course down. I recall seeing 4 groups waiting on a par 3, on the 3rd hole.
My tee time was for 1:00 pm (Before Twilight). After waiting on the third tee box for roughly 40 minutes just to tee off, the group behind us let us know that they had two groups of 8 behind them.
We finished the front nine in roughy 3.5 hours.
The beverage cart services, although having 2 carts in operation, took forever. We didn't see her until the 8th hole.
We decided to keep going and push it. The groups behind us gave up because it was getting late.
We ended up getting through 14 holes, not finishing our round.
That is uncalled for when we teed off at 1:00 pm.
Completely ridiculous.
It was my first time playing this course, and unfortunately will be my last.
I will not play this course again, and don't recommend this course.